to "plead analogy" -- older Sherlock Holmes (Ian McKellen)

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Subject: to "plead analogy" -- older Sherlock Holmes (Ian McKellen)
Posted by:  Hen Hanna (henhan…@gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016

On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 12:47:17 PM UTC-7, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> Hen Hanna:
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> > > > Have to stand a drink or two.
> > > > means  have to pay for someone else's drink or
> > > > two.
> > >
> > > Having encoutered this phrase today in a Cornell
> > > Woolrich  story,  I have just realized that Rus-
> > > sian has an equivalent  one,  in  which  'stand'
> > > means  'to  put' (bottles or glasses) as if on a
> > > table.  It is likely related  with  the  English
> > > phrase in question.
> >
> > Russian: =D1=83=D0=B3=D0=BE=D1=89=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C (ru) impf (ugoscat)=
, =D1=83=D0=B3=D0=BE=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B8=D1=82=D1=8C (ru) pf (ugostit)
> > Serbo-Croatian: castiti (sh)
> > Spanish: invitar (es), convidar (es)
> >
> > is the verb you had in mind listed above?
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> No, I meant the the verbs '=D0=BF=D0=BE=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=
=82=D1=8C' =D0=B8 '=D0=BF=D1=80=D0=BE=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=82=
=D1=8C-
> =D1=81=D1=8F'.  They have much  narrower  meanings  than  're-
> gale'.  The  roots  '=D1=81=D1=82'  and 'st' in '=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=
=B2=D0=B8=D1=82=D1=8C' and
> 'stand' are identical.  Consider:
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>  stable (n) -- =D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B9=D0=BB=D0=BE
>  stable (v) -- =D1=83=D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B9=D1=87=D0=B8=D0=B2=D1=8B=D0=
=B9
>  step      -- =D1=81=D1=82=D1=83=D0=BF=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C
>  stand      -- =D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=8F=D1=82=D1=8C/=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B0=
=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=82=D1=8C
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> > I never thought of it before, but  I  think  maybe
> > this meaning of "stand" comes from "withstand"
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> I  plead  analogy  with Russian and disagree.  Also,
> 'withstand' makes no sense in that  context  because
> the drinks are not for the speaker.
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to "plead analogy"  --  this was new to me.

you seem well-read, & must've picked it up from
            an older book.

Apparently, no "plead analogy" in=20
      the Sherlock Holmes stories.
        but sounds like something he would say.

...  or the older SH (Ian McKellen) might say.
          ( I just watched this movie. )

  I'm looking for a film review written by a SH-fan.

I thought his language was a bit odd.
  e.g. =20
  SH (Ian McKellen) repeatedly referring to "John".

  also, SH (Ian McKellen) used almost no esoteric language.
            or clever allusions.

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to "plead analogy"  -- =20

Science and Education: Essays by Thomaa H. Huxley

      https://books.google.com/books?id=3DrLraAAAAMAAJ

Thomas Henry Huxley - 1897 - =E2=80=8E

... If any one pleases, therefore, to give unrestrained liberty to his fan=
cy, he may plead analogy in favour of the dream that there may be, somewher=
e, a finite being, or beings, who can play=20
with the solar system as a child plays with a toy ; and that such being ma=
y be willing ...

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